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Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: flynnstudio on Jul 15, 2005, 11:34
Hi everyone, I'm new here - please to find a group actively 'nerding' about elo too!!! - I'm a long time ELO fan  - ( I'm about 35 btw!!) - raised on ELO - first song of theirs I 'consciously' remember was 'All over the World' and I just thought "wow - what is this music - can it be possible" since then it's never really let me go...but recently I got to thinking that TIME is a totally underrated concept album masterpiece. I've stuck 'When Time stood Still' in between TWLMTB and Another Heart Breaks and it just 'completes' the journey for me...

What does everyone else think about this amazing futuristic melancholy masterpiece!!


Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: guest on Jul 16, 2005, 09:55
Time was a sort of comeback for Jeff . Discovery and Xanadu scared a lot of the fans away ( to much disco ) . For that reason it's often overlooked.
 :(


Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: flynnstudio on Jul 16, 2005, 12:17
Shame isn't it. I personally love the Xanadu set - 5 perfect songs to me ( yes dodgy film but what does that matter!) and Discovery has some great songs on it - wishing is a particular overlooked gem.
I guess that's what happens when a mega album like out of the Blue makes such an impact crater - it brings in 'musical tourists' who come along for the 'moment'.

Time is such an anachronism - it's still 'true' ELO - there are the strings, the synths and the rock n roll backbeat but Jeff seems to have allowed his imagination to step off from reality on such a profound and touching subject. Most of the songs are very cinematic. I can see why this wouldn't appeal to the pick n mix chart crowd but I'd have thought a new generation would have discovered it by now. This album realistically deals with the evolution of the human race but love and loneliness is still the root of all the heartache.
Funny when I was 11 or twelve listening to 21st Century man - who'd have thought I'd be one of them!!!


Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: Anonymous on Jul 17, 2005, 12:34
Quote from: "flynnstudio"
Shame isnRemember the good old 1980's when things were so uncomplicated...

Time is a gem, but the story is a little vague, which is probably why it hasn't been discovered by the masses.


Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: Judemac on Aug 11, 2005, 08:53
Sgt Pepper is a great concept masterpiece or Dark Side Of The Moon. I don't think "Time" was even in "Eldorados" league. Judemac at the beach in Southern California...

http://www.webspawner.com/users/judemac/index.html


Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: flynnstudio on Aug 12, 2005, 12:38
Do you actually like any 'electronic/synthesized' music ?


Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: Anonymous on Aug 12, 2005, 06:20
Hey hello,

I love Time! It's my favourite album together with Out Of The Blue. I love the ''fresh'' sound of it, and also the gimmics and noizes among songs. Twilight(my fav.) is a brilliant song, love it. Also love almost every other song on Time, except for one or two. I think this album is indeed very underrated, to me it is the best, or at least one of the best albums of ELO.

greetz Willem
www.alternativa.nl


Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: flynnstudio on Aug 12, 2005, 07:19
I got to agree 100% Willem...your right : the sound is so fresh isn't it - so definably ELO but a true evolution of ELO's sound...your right this is Jeff and ELO at the top of their game - this is their summit - their mount everest...it's like listening to a musical nostradamus at work!

I found the re-mastered version has a real good bass extension - it kicks like a mule with my active subwoofer on - turn it up real loud, lay back and ''fly fly through a troubled sky unto a new world shining bright wooaa wooww <ching-fade>"

Here's some of my fave tracks from that album ( in no particular order)

Twilight  - just a  powerhouse of a tune - such highs, diverse - can't really say what it's about but it's sure wierd...

Your Truly 2095 - " she has an IQ of 1001 she has a jumpsuit on and she's also a telephone ' what a fantastic  tongue in cheek line - this song is full of em!

Ticket to the moon - such a vast melancholic vision - what a beautiful melody -

The Way Life's meant to Be - just another great hybrid-synth-rocker but you know it really speaks about things were almost seeing today - the erosion of a simple natural life at the expense of technological progress.

When Time Stood still - so emotional - haunting - heartbreaking if you want it to be -  I think one of Jeff's best ever - this song should have replaced another heart breaks for me on the original album cut which if I'm honest I can do without.

From the end of the world - synth bassline gem- great hook - just pounds along ( stunning string startup)

Here is the news - the range of themes and melodies in here is just vast - great synth work.  " the energy council today'!!! really who was projecting about things like energy councils back then huh???

21st Century Man - touching, melancholy masterpiece. 'though you ride on the wheels of tomorrow, you still wander the fields of your sorrow' how touching - how true is that!

Anyone who thinks this isn't real ELO and easily one of their best is tragically missing out on one of the most creative, intelligent and witty albums ever made by ANY ARTIST OR BAND let alone Jeff or ELO!.
It's truly great because it's one of those rare albums that genuinely talks about the nature of being human in an intelligent, visionary  was and of the bittersweet nature of progress.


Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: Judemac on Aug 12, 2005, 08:49
Quote from: "flynnstudio"
Do you actually like any 'electronic/synthesized' music ?

Me! Not as much as guitars,drums bass etc. Depeche Mode I like them & collect their stuff but not many with that type sound. Hope I answered your question Chris.
Judemac at the beach in Southern California...

http://www.webspawner.com/users/judemac/index.html


Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: Anonymous on Aug 12, 2005, 11:33
Yeah, I'm also hooked on ''When Time Stood Still'', absolutely brilliant. A few days ago I played the song like 40 times over and over again, this song really touches me! I agree with you that this sure is one of the best songs Jeff wrote, no doubt!

greetz Willem
www.alternativa.nl


Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: Anonymous on Nov 14, 2005, 10:00
I enjoyed Time very much....it was sort of a blend of old elo with some new twists.


Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: Nuihc88 on Nov 15, 2005, 08:46
Time sure is great. If there wouldn't be anything else good in the world than Time, i would still be happy :-)

i think someone (very skilled) should make a Sci-Fi movie based on the stories on this album.


Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: Anonymous on Nov 15, 2005, 02:19
Personally, I love Time (at least as much as the other albums!).

Every track is different yet they all fit together.  It's played loud in my house,  When it reaches 'From The End Of The World', it get's turned up a bit more.  Yee Ha.   I love the way he sings that line;

"Oh please if this is a game I wish someone would win.
Oh please just let it fly to be upon the wind"

What is it about this guys music that does this.  Wilburys, McCartney, Petty, Harrison + others, any albums that are performed on or co-written by Jeff Lynne.  It's a special talent.


Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: whiskeygirl on Nov 15, 2005, 07:20
Nuihc88 - could you make your avatar somewhat smaller please? It's squashing all the text over to the right hand side of the window!

Serena


Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: Nuihc88 on Nov 21, 2005, 09:45
sorry about that huge avatar thing, in the original url i linked it from, it was very small so i didn't bother to check what it looked like.


Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: Anonymous on Dec 02, 2005, 07:55
Time was the first album I've bought myself. Since that time I'm an ELO Fan. But I think the greatest of all is ELDORADO....


Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: EH-SPAIN on Apr 01, 2006, 12:15
Time is for me the best of all the albums I have heard in my life. And besides ELO, I am a huge Beatles and Pink Floyd fan, both having a great deal of mythical albums.
I was totally stunned by Time when it was issued in 1981. Up to this moment I didn't have taken ELO seriously. After Time, I started to get all the albums.
The album is very well done, the concept is very attractive to me, that thing of the flowing of time, the way time makes the things to be very different to the way they should be, the feelings of melancholy, lost and loneliness...
And on top of that, the incredible beauty of most of the songs: Twilight, Ticket to the moon, The way life's meant to be, Rain is falling, The Lights go Down, 21st Century Man !!!! How can all these songs to be together at the same time in the same album? Wonders of Time, certainly. :P


Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: gregralls on Apr 05, 2006, 10:22
time is brilliant.  yes, it doesn't sound much like the elo hit making machine of the mid 70s, but that's okay with me.  twilight is my favorite elo song of all-time.


Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: Anonymous on Apr 14, 2006, 09:25
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Title: Re: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: Skuj on Apr 14, 2006, 09:45
Quote from: "flynnstudio"
Hi everyone, I'm new here - please to find a group actively 'nerding' about elo too!!! - I'm a long time ELO fan  - ( I'm about 35 btw!!) - raised on ELO - first song of theirs I 'consciously' remember was 'All over the World' and I just thought "wow - what is this music - can it be possible" since then it's never really let me go...but recently I got to thinking that TIME is a totally underrated concept album masterpiece. I've stuck 'When Time stood Still' in between TWLMTB and Another Heart Breaks and it just 'completes' the journey for me...

What does everyone else think about this amazing futuristic melancholy masterpiece!!


I've been reading all the threads here, in shock. OMG there are people just like me. This is where I shall place my first post.

But I digress. Summer 77. Telephone Line comes on the radio and blows me away like no song ever did before. I was 15. For the first time, I tried to find out WHO the band was behind the song. When I later realized that ELO was also responsible for Evil Woman, Livin Thing, and Strange Magic, I was beside myself.

Some time in 78. Turn To Stone comes on the radio. I am blown away. AFTERWARDS, I learn it is ELO! You can imagine my astonishment. I was a certified ELOmaniac from that time on.

So then we get to the summer of 81. I find Time on cassette at a 7-11. We play it on a drive. I am blown away completely. Again. But even more so this time. Time is my favourite ELO album. IMHO, the lyrics, production and songwriting on Time took a step forward, even from the great heights of 77-79. And nobody cared. By this point ELO had made that disco album, and were involved in that awful movie. Very uncool. My friends made fun of me in 79-80. Things had changed. But Time was criminally overlooked.

To the above poster I say, add When Time Stood Still at the end of side 1, and find a place for Julie Don't Live Here too.

Further on, I think Bluebird off Secret Messages is their best song ever. Does anyone else think the Stones should have sued though? (Satisfaction.)

I tried to like Balance Of Power, but I was so depressed when that one came out. I knew it was over.

Anyway, I'm new here too, and thrilled to find this place!

Cheers
Darren Skuja
Courtenay, BC, Canada.


Title: RE: Re: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: Anonymous on Apr 15, 2006, 04:06
Man, Time should have been a double. The bonus tracks are too good to be b-sides. My dream tracklist:

Side A:
Prologue (1:16)
Twilight (3:42)
Yours Truly, 2095 (3:11)
Ticket To The Moon (4:07)

Side B:
Julie Don't Live Here (3:42)
The Way Life's Meant To Be (3:48)
Another Heart Breaks (4:38)
When Time Stood Still (3:33)

Side C:
Rain Is Falling (3:55)
From The End Of The World (3:16)
The Lights Go Down (3:33)
The Bouncer (3:14)

Side D:
Here Is The News (3:50)
21st Century Man (4:03)
Hold On Tight (3:18)
Epilogue (1:31)

Cheers
Darren Skuja


Title: TIME Album
Post by: bluoysclt on Apr 15, 2006, 05:19
Love that album.
I was a senior in H.S. when that album came out and has always remained one of the top ELO albums for me.
My first experience that I can recall with ELO was when I bought the 45 rpm record with the song "telephone Line" in 1976.
Anyone remember what song was on the other side? I forget!! :(

D. Moats


Title: Re: RE: Re: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: MrAdam on May 06, 2006, 06:08
:D yeah that would defiantely be amazing! its still a great record anyway!!! i love it Yours Truky is probably my favourite!!!  :P  

Quote from: "Anonymous"
Man, Time should have been a double. The bonus tracks are too good to be b-sides. My dream tracklist:

Side A:
Prologue (1:16)
Twilight (3:42)
Yours Truly, 2095 (3:11)
Ticket To The Moon (4:07)

Side B:
Julie Don't Live Here (3:42)
The Way Life's Meant To Be (3:48)
Another Heart Breaks (4:38)
When Time Stood Still (3:33)

Side C:
Rain Is Falling (3:55)
From The End Of The World (3:16)
The Lights Go Down (3:33)
The Bouncer (3:14)

Side D:
Here Is The News (3:50)
21st Century Man (4:03)
Hold On Tight (3:18)
Epilogue (1:31)

Cheers
Darren Skuja
:D


Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: Anonymous on May 07, 2006, 01:49
Some great comments here, Time travellers

What amazes me about TIME and every other tune for that matter. Is how Jeff keeps it altogether. This guy is a master of his trade. There is so much going on in every song with each sound in its perfect positon. If you can spare the time you can breakdown each song and work out approximately how many tracks there is to create one of his songs. From the early days of the 8 track to 24 track mixers you will find that the songs just don't add up. Computer technology is a valuable ingrediant here.    
I am 48 in a few days time and have worshipped Jeffs style since the 60's and still, to this very day, keep finding little treasures within his songs/productions that keep me intrigued and fascinated.  
I am pretty sure we will see another concept album from Jeff in the very near future. He may be working on one now?? 'A Day in the Life'

Regards to all, Brian (Leeds, UK)


Title: Time To Go
Post by: Gavin on May 07, 2006, 08:52
I always favored T'ime' early on with my ELO starter kit. It opened me up to what awaited for the ELO catalog. Then I came across 'Out of the Blue.' I then realized where the true ELO gem was.
Excellent overall sound production. Crafty Lynne songs to fill 2 albums. Can't ask for more. 'Time' had some moments but could never match 1977's epic.


Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2006, 08:41
Time is one of those changing points in Jeff's life where he realized that the bigger sound wasn't necessarily the reason for ELO'S EVOLUTION. But he hit on themes that strangely came true.

I'll always see HERE IS THE NEWS as a black humor piece about how ironic The 21st century's society STILL has to deal with internal conflict.

21st CENTURY MAN mostly seems to suggest how you as a person could be forgotten but you still do your best to adapt to the world around you.

TIME is a classic in my book. :)


Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: ELOZoom on May 14, 2006, 08:45
The above message was mine. I forgot to log in. Doh!

So here it is again.

Time is one of those changing points in Jeff's life where he realized that the bigger sound wasn't necessarily the reason for ELO'S EVOLUTION. But he hit on themes that strangely came true.

I'll always see HERE IS THE NEWS as a black humor piece about how ironic it is that The 21st century's society STILL has to deal with internal conflict.

21st CENTURY MAN mostly seems to suggest how you as a person could be forgotten but you still do your best to adapt to the world around you.

TIME is a classic in my book. :)


Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: Anonymous on Jun 02, 2006, 01:48
After so many years, only very recently I started to play and sing at home Ticket to The Moon with just an acustic guitar, in a gentle way.
Even with my voice (I'm not Jeff) and with such a raw arrangemente, suddenly I found out the unbelievable intrinsical beauty of this song


Title: The Bouncer!
Post by: KB on Jun 02, 2006, 08:06
How did The Bouncer not make the original track list? That tune ROCKS! It's become one of my personal favs.

Some of the 80's stuff is a bit hard to swallow for me. Great songwriting, but too overboard on the effects (probably why I like The Bouncer so much). I know Jeff was very experimental with whatever effects he could get his hands on. He certainly should be commended for being a pioneer in synth works, but a lot of it (personal opinion) takes away from the song. I'm from the less is more school (which is where Jeff is back at now - mics & instraments).

Another example:

Check out the version of Xanadu on the 3 disc box set Afterglow. Nice and clean. I really never liked the song until I heard this version. The piano dresses the chorus so nicely!

Cheers!

KB
www.kbmusic.net


Title: time a good concept master piece
Post by: hollandanton347 on Jun 03, 2006, 11:21
hi my name is anton holland. time was my first elo tape. time has change my life many ways. it made me think about the future. my faverite song twilight-ticket to the moon-the way lifesment to be-another heart breaks-the rain is falling-the lights go down-21st century man-when time stood still=julie dont live here. :D


Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: Anonymous on Jun 07, 2006, 05:15
If rock music had a Holst, it's definitely Jeff Lynne.  I think Time is both ELO's finest album, and a masterful conceptual piece. As a science fiction fan, I love the fact that the ever-spacey sounds of ELO were put to such a logical extension of their sound.
 
As a musician and composer myself, I respect the genius of the musicianship, the song-cycle nature of the album, and the scope.  This was no small-scale album.  It was meant to be a mythic story about being stranded in the far future, in a cold, dystopian culture, just wanting to go home.  Like Holst did with The Planets, Jeff Lynne sets himself out on a journey to build a soundscape for the future - the future as we saw it in 1981, anyway.

It's melancholy, humorous, and ambitious.  A lot of people don't like heavily-synthesized music.  Here it's fully appropriate, when talking about a science fiction album about a man lost in a mechanized future (2095).  For that matter...2006...most of the popular music is already made by computers and samplers...not by musicians.

If one gets beyond the synthesizers (the usage of which I found inventive, ingenious), there is a lot to appreciate here.  The musical and lyrical ideas put forward in Time are worth every moment.  Thoughts on the cycle:

Prologue - First we hear the rumblings that created our world, and time.  I believe the speaker is actually our hero...the person lost in the future.  He says, "I have a message from another time".  I think he's trying to warn us, not to fall into the same trap he did.

Twilight - Some form of sentience tricks our hero into going into the future.  He can't tell if it's real or a dream, and is tricked into going into the future, without a return plan.

Yours Truly, 2095 - Stuck in the future, missing his home and girl...going a bit crazy

Ticket To The Moon - A search for a way out begins, or maybe just a new beginning in this world..."fly through a troubled sky, to a new world shining bright"

The Way Life's Meant To Be - Like Monty Python's Meaning Of Life, we all end up where we started.  He goes home.  He stands on the street where he met his girlfriend...but nothing is the same.  He pines away for 1981.

Another Heart Breaks - self-explanatory, given the previous song.

Rain Is Falling - A new day, a little more optimism...but he still thinks of her.  The rain falls, hiding his tears.  He mentions that "they" are after him with their new time transporter...but they haven't found him outside, standing in the rain.

From The End Of The World - Paranoia sets in as our hero has visions of the apocalypse.  He keeps wishing this whole experience was a dream.

The Lights Go Down - Our hero gets locked up for being "insane".  The first thing he says is, "I gotta get outta here.  I gotta make everything clear.  I gotta see you."

Here Is The News - He breaks out and is on the run now..."they" think he's gone crazy and they're after him.  In the bridge he reiterates the two things he wants, in a desperate voice:  "I wanna go home, I want my baby back."

21st Century Man - The center of this album, the point.  At this point, the narration shifts from the character on the album back to Jeff Lynne.  Jeff's lyrics try to counsel this guy:

Though you ride on the wheels of tomorrow,
You still wander the fields of your sorrow.
What will it bring?

You stepped out of the dream believing everything was wrong
Return with what you've learned, they'll kiss the ground you walk upon

Things ain't how you thought they were
Nothing have you planned
So pick up your penny and your suitcase
You're not a 21st Century Man

Beautiful, sad lyrics.  In essence...you're stuck here...you must learn to fit in...become a "21st century man" as best you can.  But you should also know...you may never fit...because you're not a 21st century man.

Hold On Tight - We can't go on without hope - Jeff gives that back to this character.  Jeff is telling him, in essence, "Don't give up on getting home".

Epilogue - The snake eats its tail - we hear time end....or begin?

Individually, some of these songs aren't A+ .  But like movements in a symphony, they each fulfill a function, reinforcing the overall story and musical direction.

When Time Stood Still
Julie Don't Live Here

I wish these two were put on the original album.  In particular, Julie Don't Live here fits perfectly after The Way Life's Meant To Be; Julie is obviously the girl he wants to get back to - it would have reinforced that storyline a lot better.  And it's such a strong, melodic pop song, too.  Its bouncy tempo would have helped balance an album that had a lot of melancholy and slower tunes.

In summary, as a whole piece Time is my favorite "concept" album of all time.  It's what Abbey Road could have been, if they would have agreed to make Side A a song cycle in line with Side B, which was a cycle.


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Title: Re: Time
Post by: tabruns on Sep 01, 2006, 07:37
My take on TIME...

There are some really really good songs on TIME, specifically "Hold On Tight" (ELO's last Top 10 in the US), "Twilight", "Rain Is Falling".  The b-sides were quite good as well, and like others have mentioned, I also add the b-sides to my iPod version of TIME as regular album tracks.

The album cover was okay.  IMO a cool artistic idea that was not quite pulled off (could have been a more dynamic painting....and I never liked that the 'sand' of the beach was actually pink-flesh colored).

The production was so-so, I think.  Jeff Lynne stated in an interview once that he wanted to make the album sound futuristic so he included lots of whirling and chirping and such, but he felt later on that perhaps that distracted from hearing the songs somewhat.  I tend to agree with this.

The production may have something to do with TIME's lower sales (compared to the previous four albums <--includes Xanadu soundtrack), but I think part of it was also that the public's taste in music was moving on and bands that were big in the 1970s were being perceived as "over".


Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: Apollo on Sep 29, 2006, 11:31
Time is one of the ELO albums I never purchased. Until now. (Yours Truly) blew me away. This is one great concept album. Music that changes direction or tempo in the middle seems to catch my fancy. Jeff must have been on a run when he wrote this one because it all seems to fit and I don?t really find any weak or filler pieces on the whole play list. Of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To tell you the truth, I?m kicking myself for not picking this one up when it was originally released. Sorry Jeff. Owe you big time pal. Where you get these idea?s for when to add synth additions or acoustic  influences I?ll never know. You just seem to know where to add them without overpowering the music. Incredible.
Cheers.
 8)


Title: TIME - concept masterpiece?
Post by: david1leigh on Nov 16, 2006, 11:26
An excellent album, well put together, but missing when time stood still and Julie....
if these had been on the original album, it would have been perfect. As it is, i only give it 99.9% LOL

Having just listened to the remastered cd with the bonus tracks on, i have to agree with you. With the extra tracks, its perfect.