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Title: How do we like ZOOM?
Post by: AlternativA! on Dec 12, 2004, 07:24
Hey,

there's one thing I would like to know. The latest ELO-album Zoom is critisized by many people. I personally think it's a beautifull ELO album, I like Out Of The Blue better, but Zoom also deserves credit.

I would like to see some opinions here,

greetings AlternativA


Title: ZOOM
Post by: Admin on Dec 16, 2004, 01:53
I think Zoom shows Jeff can still write a good tune, but I kind of miss Jeff's overproduction. The "less is more" mentality that George Harrison and Tom Petty instilled in Jeff, shows on this release. Still a great album though.

I'm curious as to whether most people prefer the "new" songs from Flashback over the new songs on Zoom...


Title: ZOOM
Post by: Anonymous on Dec 16, 2004, 10:02
Yeah, I really like ''Helpless'' and ''Love changes all''.  It sounds very ''xanadu'', I think he wrote them in that period. But to speak about zoom, moment in paradise, state of mind, just for love, ordinary dream I like the most, these are very good songs I think. But you are right about the overproduction, I prefer that too


Title: ZOOM
Post by: Admin on Jan 28, 2005, 02:39
One other thing about "Zoom", I was thinking that it could quite possibly be Jeff's final album. Not that Jeff has stopped recording, but with JeffLynne.com coming up one day, it's a good avenue for Jeff to release music on a song by song basis via the website. And this could even lead to an increase in Jeff's output, with the instant gratification of making a song and immediately releasing it. Could be interesting...stayed tuned to JeffLynne.com.


Title: ZOOM
Post by: Anonymous on Jan 29, 2005, 06:14
That would be fantasic if it's true what you say. I'm really dying for new stuff from Jeff, in a way I like all his songs and that's strange magic to me


Title: ZOOM
Post by: Anonymous on Feb 06, 2005, 05:55
I was surprised to see a DVD on the Zoom tour while browsing at a local Fred Meyers last week.  Has anyone here seen this DVD and would like to comment on its quality?


Title: ZOOM
Post by: Anonymous on Feb 07, 2005, 11:00
the quality is superb! the picture is very clear, the sound is fantastic(Dolby Digital 5.1 en DTS 5.1 surround!). You will miss a great show by not buying a copy of this masterpiece-DVD, so get yourself to that store and buy ZOOM>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>!

greetings Willem
www.alternativa.nl/english


Title: ZOOM
Post by: Anders on Mar 15, 2005, 04:47
Quote from: "Anonymous"
Yeah, I really like ''Helpless'' and ''Love changes all''.  It sounds very ''xanadu'', I think he wrote them in that period. But to speak about zoom, moment in paradise, state of mind, just for love, ordinary dream I like the most, these are very good songs I think. But you are right about the overproduction, I prefer that too


I really liked these two songs from "Flashback" as well. Thought they sounded a bit more like "the old ELO" than "Zoom". Don't get me wrong, I love "Zoom" as well. It's just not one of my favorite ELO albums. As someone else pointed out here; it has more of a Petty/Harrison/Wilbury feel than perhaps my favorite album:"Out of the Blue".


Title: ZOOM
Post by: Utter on Mar 15, 2005, 05:16
Helpless is a true masterpiece WHY unreleased???

I love ZOOM, it really has a smooth elo sound, please keep up the good work jeff!


Title: ZOOM
Post by: Admin on Mar 16, 2005, 05:17
Quote from: "Anders"
Quote from: "Anonymous"
Yeah, I really like ''Helpless'' and ''Love changes all''.  It sounds very ''xanadu'', I think he wrote them in that period. But to speak about zoom, moment in paradise, state of mind, just for love, ordinary dream I like the most, these are very good songs I think. But you are right about the overproduction, I prefer that too


I really liked these two songs from "Flashback" as well. Thought they sounded a bit more like "the old ELO" than "Zoom". Don't get me wrong, I love "Zoom" as well. It's just not one of my favorite ELO albums. As someone else pointed out here; it has more of a Petty/Harrison/Wilbury feel than perhaps my favorite album:"Out of the Blue".


I'm curious how much of those songs were done in the early eighties and how much got finished for Flashback. I consider those songs some of Jeff's best work.


Title: ZOOM
Post by: Anders on Mar 16, 2005, 12:20
Quote from: "Admin"
Quote from: "Anders"
Quote from: "Anonymous"
Yeah, I really like ''Helpless'' and ''Love changes all''.  It sounds very ''xanadu'', I think he wrote them in that period. But to speak about zoom, moment in paradise, state of mind, just for love, ordinary dream I like the most, these are very good songs I think. But you are right about the overproduction, I prefer that too


I really liked these two songs from "Flashback" as well. Thought they sounded a bit more like "the old ELO" than "Zoom". Don't get me wrong, I love "Zoom" as well. It's just not one of my favorite ELO albums. As someone else pointed out here; it has more of a Petty/Harrison/Wilbury feel than perhaps my favorite album:"Out of the Blue".


I'm curious how much of those songs were done in the early eighties and how much got finished for Flashback. I consider those songs some of Jeff's best work.


Yes, the Flashbook booklet is not very informative in that department. What I do know is that Richard Tandy were heavily involved in those re-workings.  I wonder if they used Bev's original drums for instance. Lots of question marks surrounding these songs!

I agree, great songs. I wish that Zoom would have sounded a bit like those two songs!


Title: ZOOM
Post by: PELO on Mar 19, 2005, 03:21
What about Tears In Your Life? The greatest melodrama ever, amazing backing track.


Title: ZOOM
Post by: Anonymous on Mar 19, 2005, 06:51
Hey, yeah absolutely, Tears In Your Live is certainly a great track, very mysterious, the way I like it. Also one of my bigtime favorites from the Flashback album is After All. It's got that mysterious sound that I like Jeff so much to do, are there more people here who like After All?
greetz Willem


Title: ZOOM
Post by: PELO on Mar 20, 2005, 01:22
Yes, I do. Once again, it's one of those tracks that you realise is really complex only when listening to it with headphones. Jeff Lynne commented that he used every gadget known to mankind back then on this track.


Title: ZOOM
Post by: Timothywalker on Mar 29, 2005, 11:57
"Zoom" is an unqualified masterpiece and fits in nicely with the ELO catalog. "Armchair Theatre" is slightly better only by it's signifigance as the greatest rock album of the 1990's (screw Nirvana!!). I also have to give a shout-out to TW Vol. 3-it is a delirious pop explosion and if you've ever heard "Borderline" and "I'm Gone" than you must agree that Jeff Lynne is the real King of rock and roll!!!


Title: ZOOM
Post by: Admin on Apr 07, 2005, 05:14
I just happened upon this clipping today...

(http://www.elofans.com/zoomtourchicagoclipping.jpg)


Title: ZOOM
Post by: Anonymous on Apr 08, 2005, 04:00
I think it as good as it could have been considering the last time Jeff had anything to do with ELO was all those years ago. The import CD of Zoom (if you can find it *Out Of Print*) has a bonus track only on that CD is better to own. The concert in 2001 featuring the cuts from the album & the oldies was really good as well as the interviews. I made myself a two CD-R set of the complete concert with interviews which is great for the car or home stereo. I hope that helps you out...


Title: ZOOM
Post by: guest on Apr 15, 2005, 02:27
Quote from: "Anonymous"
Hey, yeah absolutely, Tears In Your Live is certainly a great track, very mysterious, the way I like it. Also one of my bigtime favorites from the Flashback album is After All. It's got that mysterious sound that I like Jeff so much to do, are there more people here who like After All?
greetz Willem


After All Is a masterpiece.  :!:

It was the non album B side for Rock 'N' Roll is King .


Title: Zoom with vengeance
Post by: Gavin Ewoldt on Apr 19, 2005, 08:14
I think Zoom makes up for lots of years of attempted substitutions with ELO 2 material. Wilburys and Armchair Theatre was pleasing but tempting. Now we have the real deal magic back. There's no ELO substitution without Jeff Lynne and just because the other orginal line up wasn't on there didn't matter much. Of course it was missing it's massive sound that was signiture to the late 70s. Just glad to hear a new Jeff Lynne production.


Title: Reply to "How do we like Zoom?"
Post by: lynnefan05 on Jun 10, 2005, 08:52
Yes, I totally agree with you. Zoom is a great album that wasn't recognized nearly enough when it was released in 2001. Britney Spears's 2001 album (don't know the title, don't care!) got oodles of media coverage. How is it that an annoying little diva such as her can get more attention than a musical genius?! :?
  Ultimately, I believe Zoom is a diamond in the rough; the rough being artists such as Eminem, 50 Cent, and Britney. Personally, I enjoy these songs: Just For Love, Ordinary Dream, and Melting in the Sun.
Rock on, Jeff!! :wink:


Title: Uh Yes Zoom, The DVD Live Show
Post by: Judemac on Jun 15, 2005, 03:55
Quote from: "Anonymous"
the quality is superb! the picture is very clear, the sound is fantastic(Dolby Digital 5.1 en DTS 5.1 surround!). You will miss a great show by not buying a copy of this masterpiece-DVD, so get yourself to that store and buy ZOOM>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>!

greetings Willem
www.alternativa.nl/english


I made a double CD with Jeff's interviews included for my portable player(& home stereos). It would have made a nice double CD release to go with the DVD or paired down to a single CD but they butcher them cut to a single CD. Check Out Sarah Brightmans "Live Harem" CD & compair it to the DVD concert. I made a double CD set on it too with the bonus remixes and a few interviews  :D

http://www.webspawner.com/users/judemac/index.html


Title: Mysterious
Post by: Linda on Dec 16, 2005, 12:58
Hello,

I wish I had the time to tell you how Jeff Lynne has touched my life thru his music.  Someday I am going to write about the coincidences that have occured with his songs.  I have told many people my story and they find it to be very mystical.  

Jeff Lynne is a messenger.  He does understand how the Universe works.  Remember, "everything that you say goes out on the Big Transmitter.."

I just hope others will understand like we do how powerful his songs really are.

May God Bless You,
I do....


Title: RE: Mysterious
Post by: Anonymous on Jan 12, 2006, 02:49
ZOOM is not ELO.


Title: RE: Mysterious
Post by: Anonymous on Jan 12, 2006, 09:40
In response to Linda's post last month, I'd love to hear about one of the coincidences that have happened in your life related to Jeff's music.  
I sense more of a spiritual maturity in Zoom that is not as evident in the earlier albums.  I see Alright as very similar to Hold on Tight, taking the same idea to a newer level.  I still feel that Jeff's overall strength is in his arrangements of melodies and harmonies, but the lyrics stand out more for me in Zoom.


Title: ZOOM
Post by: Apollo on Apr 03, 2006, 04:38
Hi gang. Just signed up and I thought I would take my posts in a different direction by starting off with ZOOM and working my way back through the ELO albums. Some folks have never had the chance to see ELO live in concert (guilty your honour) so when I saw this DVD I fired up the old DVD player, sat back, and waited to see what Jeff had been working on all these years. Sometimes I will concentrate on lead vocals, next time guitar or drums, etc. Although there?s no arguing that the original line up has changed over the years there is no mistaking Jeff?s spirit in these songs. It truly is an art that comes emotionally from within the artist. Regardless of what they might have decided to name the group I?m still amazed at the energy and strength of his song writing. My fav being (Alright) this song had me right from the get go! There?s no doubt the current giant Music machines polish and package the latest flavour of the month songs and stars but how many of them can match the full rich and layered songs this man continues to put out. Most music today is lacking imagination let alone subject matter. I bet if today?s groups really listened to ELO they would learn a few things and finding themselves suddenly tapping there foot and singing along! If no ELO song has ever cached your ear then you  need to find sometime to sit down, plug in and really listen to what Jeff has created. Glad to be part of the ELO forums.
Cheers :wink:


Title: Re: ZOOM
Post by: ELOZoom on Apr 05, 2006, 05:44
Quote from: "Apollo"
Hi gang. Just signed up and I thought I would take my posts in a different direction by starting off with ZOOM and working my way back through the ELO albums. Some folks have never had the chance to see ELO live in concert (guilty your honour) so when I saw this DVD I fired up the old DVD player, sat back, and waited to see what Jeff had been working on all these years. Sometimes I will concentrate on lead vocals, next time guitar or drums, etc. Although there?s no arguing that the original line up has changed over the years there is no mistaking Jeff?s spirit in these songs.


The fact that he comes from the Old School of Rock and Roll heroes says a lot for his endurance. He's not necessarily swayed by the latest trends but he has tried a few when it suited him. (He's a closet disco fan!)

Still I would wager that his critics aside don't seem to want to understand that he and ELO were not meant to be "Highbrow" or "Sophisticated" for their own sake.

He's by no means perfect and he's known to make mistakes but Lynne and the others who were in ELO and on ZOOM can be proud to have another fan in their corner.


Title: ZOOM
Post by: billwebster on Jul 10, 2006, 01:21
Zoom is my personal choice for 2nd best album of 2001, beaten only by the blink of an eye by Bob Dylan's Love And Theft.

I like how it sounds more Wilbury-ish than many would have expected - after all it was the Wilburys that got me interested in Jeff's music first (and I still don't have all ELO discs).

In fact, I was hoping for the release of Jeff Lynne's 2nd solo album during the mid-90s, which unfortunately, didn't come. I've read on the net some rumour that say Jeff recorded some songs for a solo album project in around 1992, that Warner/Reprise didn't want to release. Have any of these songs resurfaced in new recordings on Zoom? If not, I hope Jeff will still be releasing them as an EP, maybe adding Wild Times to it as well.


Title: ZOOM
Post by: Admin on Jul 11, 2006, 01:58
Quote from: "billwebster"

In fact, I was hoping for the release of Jeff Lynne's 2nd solo album during the mid-90s, which unfortunately, didn't come. I've read on the net some rumour that say Jeff recorded some songs for a solo album project in around 1992, that Warner/Reprise didn't want to release. Have any of these songs resurfaced in new recordings on Zoom? If not, I hope Jeff will still be releasing them as an EP, maybe adding Wild Times to it as well.


It's not really clear when Jeff started writing a song and when he finished it for Zoom, but there are a few signs that lead one to believe that some of the songs on Zoom were at one point going to be released under "Jeff Lynne". Saxophonist Dave Boruff played on "Jeff Lynne Solo Album '99 " (according to him). So it seems like the songs he played on were intended for a solo album to be released in 1999. They ultimately got released with Zoom.  There was to be a new ELO album for release soon after Zoom as well, apparently Jeff had enough songs written to get another album out fairly quick. Those songs are still unreleased.


Title: ZOOM
Post by: Anonymous on Jul 12, 2006, 05:45
Where did you get that information?


Title: Re: Zoom
Post by: tabruns on Sep 01, 2006, 08:17
ZOOM has some good songs on it, particularly "Moment In Paradise" and "Stranger On A Quiet Street".  What ZOOM suffers from, in my opinion, is that it sounds less like ELO and more like a Jeff Lynne solo album.  This is primarily a production issue, I think.....specifically the drums sound quite different.  Maybe Jeff needs to do the next ELO album (if there is one) in Germany with Mack, and get Tandy and Bevan on board.


Title: ZOOM
Post by: MrAdam on Sep 06, 2006, 12:20
personally I think that everything with Jeff LLynne in it or by Jeff Lynne is a GEM! because hes so extraordinary! ZOOM I think is a great album of course inferior to previous records by ELO ... BUT!!! I think alot of those songs are really great and they deserve to be heard! I think that A Long Time Gone was a really "Beaut," just for love is great and ordinary dream aswell. And you can't go wrong with the great and awesome "EASY MONEY" i love it LOVE IT!


Title: ZOOM
Post by: Apollo on Sep 29, 2006, 10:52
I think Zoom was up there with the rest of ELO recordings (IMHO). Of course the original line up would be the greatest gathering in the studio but the Beatles also used other artists on there albums and I don't think thier sound suffered as a result ( Billy Preston/Eric Clapton) and as Jeff has said " you can't please everyone so at the end of the day he makes records that he is happy with and hopes other will enjoy what he has to offer. It's been a long time between new ELO tunes and I enjoyed the DVD as well as the new line up. A good song will hold up and I found the clean arrangement of past hits great on the ears. Zoom shows that Jeff's still got it and is a incredible talent with an original sound not easily
duplicated by other artists.
Cheers :D


Title: ZOOM
Post by: billwebster on Oct 08, 2006, 10:02
Thank you very much Admin for the reply. I hadn't heard about further songs that were written for a Zoom follow-up, so to me that's exciting news! Let's hope that they will surface soon, be it under whatever name the artist decides on.


Title: ZOOM
Post by: Admin on Oct 09, 2006, 03:43
Quote from: "billwebster"
Thank you very much Admin for the reply. I hadn't heard about further songs that were written for a Zoom follow-up, so to me that's exciting news! Let's hope that they will surface soon, be it under whatever name the artist decides on.


Well, it's not really news, and considering this was five years ago, it remains to be seen when they would ever get released. I faintly remember seeing a marketing plan for Zoom that included a US tour, followed by a tour of Europe, followed by a followup album. All of that was abandoned with the US tour cancellation.


Title: ZOOM
Post by: billwebster on Oct 11, 2006, 12:48
It looks like these days, record labels don't seem to have as much courage as they used to, and Jeff Lynne / ELO have therefore been filed under catalog artists, putting out new compilations every once in a while.
If there are songs for a follow-up album, the label should release them, or they will never find out how well they sell.


Title: RE: Re: Zoom
Post by: billwebster on Dec 11, 2006, 01:38
Well, since I was hoping for a Jeff Lynne solo album all along, when Zoom came out and it sounded, as you say "less ELO", that was just fine with me. And my favourite song from it is "It Really Doesn't Matter", with those ferocious guitar parts after the chorus.

Btw is there a Jeff/ELO version of the song Night Calls that Joe Cocker covered on his album of the same name?


Title: ZOOM
Post by: jeffelofan on Dec 15, 2006, 10:40
The more I listen to ZOOM, the more I like it.  "Moment in Paradise," "Stranger on a Quiet Street," and "Ordinary Dream" are all standout tracks.  Sure, it is solo Jeff Lynne, but who cares?  My only complaint, and it is a minor one, is I wish that Jeff had incorporated the orchestra/choir sound effects of the Face The Music, A New World Record, and Out of the Blue period.  But ZOOM is still a very, very good album.  And, who knows, maybe we'll see a "new" ELO record in 2007...


Title: Re: RE: Re: Zoom
Post by: Admin on Dec 16, 2006, 07:47
Quote from: "billwebster"
Btw is there a Jeff/ELO version of the song Night Calls that Joe Cocker covered on his album of the same name?


Probably. Just as there's probably a Jeff version of "Slippin' Away" and the original "Xanadu" as well as others.


Title: ZOOM
Post by: tcwh1971 on Jan 25, 2007, 11:45
Zoom is a good album but  didn't think much of it at first to be honest. But it has grown on m e with each listen. Not in my opinion an ELO just a failed cash on reviving the name. No disrespect to ELO or Jeff Lynne for that matter (he's a genius), but this should 've been a Jeff Lynne album not an ELO album. Then again ELO was really Jeff Lynne!


Title: ZOOM
Post by: ELO_chick on Jan 29, 2007, 05:22
Quote from: "jeffelofan"
The more I listen to ZOOM, the more I like it.  "Moment in Paradise," "Stranger on a Quiet Street," and "Ordinary Dream" are all standout tracks.  Sure, it is solo Jeff Lynne, but who cares?  My only complaint, and it is a minor one, is I wish that Jeff had incorporated the orchestra/choir sound effects of the Face The Music, A New World Record, and Out of the Blue period.  But ZOOM is still a very, very good album.  And, who knows, maybe we'll see a "new" ELO record in 2007...


Someone posted on another forum today that "something huge is being planned with Jeff on the scale that we have all dreamed of."

Can anyone confirm this?